[FIXED] Laser was down due to burnt out laser tube

You shouldn’t need a hv current probe. It should be sufficient to use a multimeter in series with the LV side of the tube and measure the current. This is how I troubled shoot it last time.

A [Mahoney optical power measurement tool] 1 was really valuable. Science World let us borrow theirs last time and it was extremely useful to ensure we were getting the correct power generated in the UV spectrum.

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Do we have (or can we get) a schematic for the laser power supply? I have experience repairing switch mode power supplies and high voltage flyback transformer systems (trained in high voltage procedures). Capacitors, power switching MOSFETs and Schottky diodes can often be replaced same day, with locally available direct replacements or equivalents. Some supplies don’t even need parts, just re-soldering joints that have cracked due to high frequency vibrations. Others just need a good cleaning to remove carbonized dirt that acts as a short circuit to high voltages. Of course, extreme caution needs to be taken when handling high voltage systems, as HV capacitors can store a lethal charge, even when the unit is unplugged.

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Given the $$ value of the Laser tube and the years of use already put in on the laser it may be better in the long run to put a new power supply in place.

It’s definitely good to have a back up power supply, but if this one can be repaired, we may be able to be up and running sooner. and least i can dream

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Given the $$ value of the Laser tube and the years of use already put in on the laser it may be better in the long run to put a new power supply in place.

Certainly, an understandable position on this situation. Just wanted to offer my help if cost or downtime becomes a major issue. Also note that, though new is often better, it isn’t always so. Some new equipment is made with mediocre parts, and actually works better when name brand, or more robust parts get put in. Seen this many times with low ESR caps.

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A new PSU has been ordered, as well as a new set of optics which were last replaced a year ago.

If the current PSU is fixable, then we will have a spare. @DerrickA4mag you can find the model number and a link to the manufacturers page on the wiki: tool:redsail_cm1080_laser_cutter [Vancouver Hack Space]

We don’t have a schematic. We did open it and inspect it, tested fuses and the power transistors. We found no obvious issue, but our troubleshooting was far from exhaustive.

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Maybe talk to the LCC and see if you can repair the old one?

Damn it @lukecyca beat me to the response.

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Well, that’s bad timing. How dare that machine break now? Why couldn’t it have waited until after my mom’s visit? I wanted to show her how it worked by making something cool for her! (grumble, grumble) :cry:

Thanks for the update, LCC. And thanks for your hard work on the laser cutter.

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Yeah thanks guys you rock! I wouldn’t know where to start (which probably explains why I’m not on the LCC)

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Hi guys, thank you so much for taking care, ordering the parts, investing your time, etc. Feel free to count on me if you need any help. I will be more than glad to offer my time as well. Have a great evening.

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I wasn’t able to find a schematic for the power supply while searching online, but I’m still willing to attempt a fix. Am at VHS right now (Wed Mar 1 8:15pm ), so if I get permission from a Laser committee member within an hour or two, I will take a look.

You’ve got my permission. It sounds like you know what you’re doing and will be safe. Please report back with what you find!

I believe we left it back near the laser cutter on the floor. Please return it when you are done.

Thanks, will peek around, but won’t actually attempt repairs today. Just a scouting mission for what parts are being used and how, so I can look up some datasheets. If I find anything unusual, I’ll let you all know. BTW, do you know if VHS has a resistor dummy load to take place of the laser tube while testing power supply?

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Take lots of pictures!

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Yes, I have seen a few large wattage resistors and an adjustable 10ohm 50watt potentiometer as well. If you can’t find them pm me and I can meet you at the space.

Also, it’s worth pointing out that the laser’s power supply died a few months ago and it was replaced. I believe the old power supply is in a box labelled power supplies under (or near) the microscope bench. That means you would have two power supplies to play with.

I have some 40KV wire if you need some for testing as well.

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Do we have the “speeds and feeds” of the power supply handy? Maybe a photo of its spec plate? Never mind, I can click links!

Just for fun I googled [co2 laser power supply schematic] and there’s a lot of DIY action if anyone is feeling brave. :slight_smile:

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Photos of our (dusty) JLD80W laser cutter power supply:
Below, dual Flyback transformers with main 22KV laser tube output (anode) wire at bottom left:

Below, bottom of power supply board showing 4 main switching MOSFETS that drive the flybacks. The white residue is normal. It’s thermal compound that helps transfer heat to the outer case :

Below, Side view showing daughter board, the logic control “brains” of the power supply and (current?) calibration pots in blue near top:

Below, Top down view of main PS board showing flybacks on the left and the big blue filter capacitors that feed them with DC (rectified) mains power The four black lumps below them are the main bridge rectifier and the LC line filter capacitors and inductor. Below them are two ceramic power fuses (white) and the RF suppression caps (small blue) and control logic wiring connectors (green).

So far, no obvious visual signs of physical damage such as burning, arcing, blown caps or cracked solder joints. Will do more in depth testing at next opportunity. Will any key holders be at VHS tonight? I don’t see any calendar entries for this evening.

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Nice!

The opaque fuses on the bottom there seem like like a low-effort target.

Fuses both tested ok on meter.

I’m an electronics n00b, but A couple of pins (in the daughterboard connectors?) look like they might be bridged (green underlines in image), plus the general dirtiness might be hiding problems.

Presumably very little of the dust will contain conductive materials, but you never know, you know?