@wander I won’t know anything until next week
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Was checking to see if some of the wood work shop stuff might be ok stored in a locker.
Could be good for small tools and small boxes. Bonus is that doors will help with keeping the dust out.
@wander I hope we can keep some of these lockers and not sell them all off? Perhaps the tidy space committee could review?
Mark
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I <3 Love It! Speciifcally the blue one would be great for exactly what you are showing off there! I was just thinking about how I could construct boxes with acrylic fronts. Do you think it would be crazy to use some lexan/acrylic to replace to doors? I worry about shelving that people can’t see what we have.
Historically, what people can’t see, they generally don’t know we have, and therefore don’t use.
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There’s tonnes of shelving in the woodshop already:
I’m open to suggestions here, but I’m not sure I understand what problem @Majicj and @mike are trying to solve.
Is it because you want a specific cubbyhole where a given tool can be found all the time as opposed to a shelf where it’s more likely to wander?
Wouldn’t something akin to a IKEA Kallax with labels be more in line with that goal? If you want to exclude dust and show the contents, you could then stick rubber strip like what is used over each cubbyhole:
Finally, the woodshop is really full already. A locker needs to be against a wall. Where would you put it?
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I think specific locations for smaller tools, and to keep accessories bundled with the assocated tools. My biggest problem with Kallax is that the volume taken up purely by the shelves themselves is actually quite significant (the walls are quite thick). If, however, this isn’t a problem, I’ll have 2 Kallax shelving units to donate soon, so we can consider them free.
The benefit of the blue lockers is that they are small, tall, thin-walled, and the right size for hand tools. They can be set up to contain related blades, attachments, etc, but yes, they have the downside of not having visibility. Keeping dust out is important for efficient cleaning, but I don’t know where they’d fit.
I’d recommend one shelf contain routers, router bits, and any wrenches/keys that are associated with routers.
One shelf should contain angle grinders, discs, and any wrenches/keys/guards
One shelf should contain our sandpaper library
One shelf should contain all our rotary hand tools (dremel-style tools) and associated bits. This may take 2 shelves.
But this is just me saying all this without measuring or being at the space.
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Good idea, @Majicj. I like this line of thinking and the general idea of cubbies for tools (and their accessories) but I don’t think the lockers are the ideal solution. These lockers are best for personal belongings that need to be locked up at a gym. The doors have a flange that obstructs the full opening, etc.
If the tool cubbies have doors then a new person has to open them all to discover what we have. Labeling the doors would help but nothing beats just seeing the thing. Especially if you’re searching for a missing tool.
Another concern is that junk is likely to get stashed in the cubbies, just as it gets stashed in every nook already. Any location that is “out of sight, out of mind” is likely to accumulate junk even faster.
We could remove the locker doors, and maybe replace them with clear acrylic. That would be unfortunate because the lockers are valuable for their intended use. And at that point we would probably be better served building or modding our existing shelves. Or hacking an IKEA Kallax shelving unit.
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After reading the above responses regarding using storage lockers for the woodworking area I have to agree these are not the best storage solution for the woodwork shop.
That being said we are a hack space and as such there is always going to be stuff that does not easily fit somewhere.
A locker could be a handy place to keep it. Out of mind, out of sight perhaps but I would say that having the TSC review locker contents (as they do now with everything else) should help with the long term accumulation of cruft and junk.
However if it is the opinion of the Tidy Space Committee that selling all these lockers is in the best interest of VHS then full speed ahead!
My 25 cents (adjusted for inflation)
Mark
Hi all,
The current plan is to sell most of them, with the exception of the one that had a slot cut into it for a Donation Bin.
That one will end up being Donations, Fire Extinguisher, First Aid locker, and Lost & Found.
I’d suggest a good use case for lockers would be to actually lock consumables/tools that are sensitive to damage.
@rsim does this already with a locked storage cabinet for CNC materials.
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Out of curiosity, is there a plan for a new physical drop box in place yet?
Dang, that’s right. One of those was supposed to be the drop box.
Okay, probably merging fire and first aid then.
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Changed my opinion on the lockers. I think one of them to store tools would be a good idea. Would keep the dust out of them as well.
Other option would it be use 1 or 2 as a chemical locker. I do worry about the fact everything is much more mixed up in the large one so harder to keep bad stuff apart.
I think we should hold off the rush to sell the lockers.
There seems to be good uses like locking tools that require restricted access because of training / safety or easily damaged without training.
Organized chemical storage.
Where would we put them in the meantime? The space for them has already been allocated.
Well, this is what the space looks like now:
You’ve got a stack of the lockers by the front door, and there’s no space in VHS to store them. I’m hearing that we should hang onto “some” but haven’t heard which ones or a compelling use case where they can be useful.
If there are hosts of specific areas like the laser cutter, CNC, wood shop, 3D printing or soldering that have a use for them, please state which one you want.
Otherwise, let’s get on with the business of making room getting them out of the space.
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Andrew:
The new racks look cool! You are doing an amazing job with the cleaning up the space. Thank you for that!
The general process of reviewing various tools, unused equipment and stuff for cleanup has been great. Everyone has had a chance to speak on each item and a group consensus was generally reached. I feel however in this particular case with the lockers that this process is not being followed.
10 people voted on the poll of keeping some of the lockers. 2 Voted to get rid of them and 8 said keep some. I’m not sure why it is necessary to give “you” a “compelling use case” as it seems to me that “we” as a group have indicated that some should be kept?
As for which ones I think should be kept I personally would like to see at least one of the blue door small lockers and one of the beige 4 door half split kept.
Mark
- Are lockers better for chemical storage than the current chemical locker?
If we don’t need more chemical storage space, we should consider selling the chemical locker instead?
- When locking tools that require restricted access because of training / safety or easily damaged without training, lockers should replace shelving.
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i have brought up that suggestion before, and I still think that is a good idea.
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Hey, I’m glad you brought that point up. Let’s review some of the history on this:
From February 25th: https://talk.vanhack.ca/t/lockers-versus-totes/7601
After some discussion, it turned out that we’d agreed to move to totes. This was
From March 1st: https://talk.vanhack.ca/t/member-storage-the-great-leap-forward/7625
So for the past month we’ve been working steadily towards that goal, and I’m reasonably sure that the vast majority of VHS was fine with it. However, in recent days, some folks have determined that we’d like to retain some.
Now, I understand that my comments might appear to demand justification for why we should keep any lockers. For that, I apologize. It was not intended, I’m not an authority figure, and VHS decides by rough consensus.
So I’ll say simply this: if you want to keep lockers, please make sure that a) there is space for them in the intended area b) there is a good purpose behind keeping them.
Until it’s decided which lockers are going and which are staying, nothing will be listed on Craigslist. They will remain where they are until a consensus is reached and a concrete decision is made. It’s my hope that motivated folks can work with stakeholders in the various areas of VHS to figure out the best solution.
Cheers!
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